In late November, John Bolton, a Republican politician who served as National Security Advisor to President Donald Trump from April 2018 to September 2019, among many other positions, was interviewed by David Rennie, editor of The Economist. The following text is the second part of an excerpt from that interview (John Bolton on American foreign policy), obtained through automatic voice recognition and therefore subject to errors, which includes parts that are most significant for drawing a portrait of Donald Trump's administration.
John Bolton
I will just say it is clearly as I can. Trump doesn't think at that level. His supporters say he's playing a complex game of 3-dimensional Chess. (…)
No, he's not. He's playing one move at a time look at the situation in Venezuela, where we can't make heads near tales of it. At the present time. (…)
David Rennie
You'd think if he really believed in spheres of influence, Maduro would have been gone long ago. (…)
John Bolton
Becky knows enough to know that he used to say he was totally against the war in Iraq, and he was one of the few he said who sold the consequences, which isn't true, but that's what he says, but he'd often then say unless we took the oil. So, it's a kind of primitive thing if I can make a deal with Ukraine to get its mineral reserves. Well then ok, maybe we'll support Ukraine. (…)
It's all transactional, and everything is a deal he could make a deal out of Vanuatu or Kiribati in the Pacific. If he thought he saw the possibility that that's what governed is thinking not conceptual ideas about spheres of influence, or even spheres of influence, and in a purely pragmatic one. Because Trump believes the world is what he says, it is. (…)
It's not that he lies. It's not that he knows the difference between truth and falsehood and consciously chooses falsehood. He just makes things up. (…)
So, if he gave away Taiwan in a trade negotiation, he would declare victory nonetheless, he makes these things up. And yet, people believe him, he said, I've solved 8 wars, and 8 months in office, which he has not, but his base says he just he solved 8 wars and 8 months, so his great confidence in being able to announce victory and expects that people will believe it. Trump is never going to be normal. (…)
He has. An aberration, and thank God for that, but I think the diminution of Trump's power, the loss of his ability to intimidate Republicans has already Begun with the results of the 2025 election, I think Republicans were shocked. It's true. (…)
They're not, they're not full elections like we will have in 2026, you have to be somewhat careful and drawing your conclusions, but other things that are happening. In addition to the elections earlier this month, the rejection by Republican Senators of Trump's called and the filibuster, the opposition to the mid cycle, redistricting effort that a number of Republican parties in in the states have undertaken and then the incredible revolt by the MEGA base. Itself on the Jeffrey Epstein scandal, I think, I think we're at the point where Trump is now on the downhill, that doesn't guarantee the rate of descent or how far it goes, but it's a little bit like the wizard of eyes, you pull the curtain back and suddenly. (…)
Everybody's operating in a different world. I think that's happening. I hope I'm not too optimistic, but I do have a sense that that's beginning. (…)
